Topic on User talk:OpenStars/Guides/Quality of Life Tips

resolved by moving this page to personal OS space

As someone who just stumbled upon this conversation I say that the way of exchange demotivates contribution of the community and scares everyone away cause mistakes are responded to in this unbelievable harsh way rather than in a friendly motivating way that aims at first understanding each other and comming from there to a better new version.

A community is not an army or any other kind of organization that works on order and strict hierarchy but on joy and free contribution. Especially in a community that has such a nice and welcoming style on reddit which makes it safe and motivating for everyone to contribute. At least for me this discussion is the complete opposite of the AE global reddit community. .

A community is not an army or any other kind of organization that works on order and strict hierarchy but on joy and free contribution. Especially in a community that has such a nice and welcoming style on reddit which makes it safe and motivating for everyone to contribute. At least for me this discussion is the complete opposite of the AE global reddit community.

Sorry, last paragraph seemed to get copied

not sure why you want to discuss 10 months old topic again.

Overall all i can say about this is that wiki isn't reddit community, and isn't personal blog, and isn't discord community. There are some global encyclopedic standards about presenting info on any wiki(pedia)-sites. And about keeping quality of those standards by editing/proofreading badly presented info with other editors help. And its all doesn't exist for nothing.

Writing novel-chapter worth of badly formatted text about any small thing, and discussing its nuances in few more walls of text - isn't helping anyone at all. Very few readers will want to return to re-read such "personalized guides" when coming to wiki to re-check something specific. Few editors will even want to spend time to proofread that info over and over each edit.

Its either wiki with >encyclopedic-like< >stuctured< compilation of >neutral< >non-biased< facts that anyone can recheck/proofread without having it as a paid job. Or going somewhere else and running a blog/youtube/community channel while personally keeping own quality and getting likes/subs or maybe even money from number of readers who will like that style.

As someone who has spent literal years going back and forth with OpenStars about things, I'm impressed with Vivilerie's restraint!

First of all, we are supporting a community of a great game - don’t we? So it’s basically about our free time and hobby and I want to have fun. I am quite sure that I am not the only one… :)

My experience with the participants here is quite limited so I cannot and will not judge about the quality of their wiki contributions or their willingness to edit certain stuff.

Regarding the argument of the big wikipedia: if I compare the English articles, even highly scientific topics with those in other languages, I most times like the English best because it’s written for everyone and not for the scientific cream de la cream. I myself call my quite scientific literal - but in Wikipedia it’s about descriptions that are understandable while you read them and not about highly abstract definitions on which you have to ponder for a long time.

And this is a game - from players for players and not a PhD thesis. So I think it’s worth to make this difference without reducing the level of correctness of information. From a games wiki I want information about the game in a way that I can easily understand them and in a way that might entertain me (which is not mandatory but if some pages are written that way I will not mind) cause I am in my „fun time“ and play on and not need to ponder for hours to understand it. It seems that certain Asian AE Wikis have more details in that direction and I feel like that’s some of the main critics that one can read on Reddit.

So what I am talking here about as well and mainly - and that’s merely the discussion I stumbled about - it’s not the topic and the content but it’s the way people interact with each other. Everyone should give his/her best to be as accurate as possible but a game and the contribution to a fan based wiki belongs to the „fun part“ of life and not to the „serious as death“ part of life. So we should make this part of life easy for all and not fight each other as there is already too much war and other shit in this world - especially since 2022.

And let’s remember what this game is about:

it’s about a group of young people who want to keep their world alive and Aldo the main character is the one who has for all and everyone love and patience so that everyone feels content to just show and develop his or her most human side - maybe we can maintain exactly this spirit while enhancing the wiki as well.

That spirit makes this game so special to me and I am quite sure to many of us.

Its all start to look like just some more OS-like empty talks to waste others time, that could have been done elsewere and without me. Want to write something in wiki, do it on content pages, while expecting it to be proofread later by someone else. Want to ask how, or found some error you can't fix yourself, use talk pages. Same common sense rules for everyone as usual.

Here is not a social network or disscusion hub, socializing can be done where its usually done. So I am personally off this talk page from now.

Well, my input is not about socializing, it’s just about the way of interacting with each other and that I assume a game and a fan based knowledge base is about having or providing a good time for content creators and readers.

I have and I will try to contribute and hope that it’s accepted or if I accidentally provided misinformation someone just corrects it on the fly as I do the same if I see this somewhere.

I just try to be in that marvelous spirit of the game.

I'll just point out that every time before you click Save when making an edit, there's a warning which says

Please note that all contributions to Another Eden Wiki are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike (see Another Eden Wiki:Copyrights for details). If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here.

This warning was back on the old wiki too iirc, and I believe it's part of the standard mediawiki template. Of course, it's not meant to discourage anyone (it's just there as a template, and I don't think anyone really notices it). But just fair warning that nothing on wiki is gospel, even what I or anyone else writes in it.

I'm also getting attacked on reddit now for things that I have never done, so I'm not sure what is this "nice and welcoming" or "safe and motivating" culture on subreddit you speak of. And I think many others can attest to having been targeted on the subreddit without any precedent.

But if you're not involved in that, all I can say is, "welcome to the wiki", and point you to How to help Wiki if you are not already aware.

Hello Vivelerie,

At first thanks for your welcome here and pointing me to the „wiki how to“. I read that and if I edit I try my best to inherit those guidelines. But I am not perfect yet and this will get better over time.

I hope the edits are only about correcting mistakes and not changing the style of the contributor as long as it is not toxic.

I am just a lurker on Reddit and as I don’t know who you are there ( no need to disclose if you don’t want to, I understand if someone wants to keep privacy) so I can’t say either this or that way. My impression is that the community on Reddit is in its majority as I stated above. The originator of this page seems to have a very special personality which might be a bit consuming from time to time. Anyhow my feeling is that the person is full of love for the game.

I really hope that once you people come to an agreement how to work together in a way that’s good for all sides.

Greets, the „dynamic ip“ guy

Hello Sir 89.245.26.246, I am a new player who's just begun this game! May I ask why did you provide a link to the roadmap and other pages when it is already available in the sidebar? Are new players so clueless that your page can be considered a 'quality of life' for them? I find this rather upsetting as this page is misleading and advice such as this: Don't expect a single team to do everything for you. If such exists (and occasionally it does), it is extremely hard to get (especially for F2P), and may not last for long as Power Creep continues ever onwards and enemy difficulty rises to match is completely contradictory, and there is no need for a 'free weapons and armor' section as this is already covered by the equipment list (All of them are free except the Daybreak weapons and we can see what weapons need grind). Please reconsider the overall quality of your content as you're creating redundant pages and you're hurting the quality and reputation of the wiki with your contribution instead of helping it.

Signed, Just a passing wiki user